Final reslult season 10
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:24 pm
Dear Race Committee (and protest committee?),
I don’t know which section this post belongs to, but I’m putting it here as best guess. Since this is affecting another team, I think it’s fair to post it in the forum and not a private e-mail directly to the race committee.
The preliminary results after the finals shows BZH Connection and NOR Team tied with 14 team points each, while BZH is listed 3rd and NOR 4th. The sailing instructions does not describe what tie-breaker system that applies for the team points ranking, which is unfortunate (I know you have a new points system this season). However it seems like the race committee has applied the tie breaker for the low point system, even though the low point system is not used for the combined overall score. And it is also applied in the wrong way.
Using the low point system, the score would have been
NOR 24 + 8 = 32
BZH 24 + 10 = 34
I.e. no tie.
The point system used for the final ranking is not the low points system, but “bonus score” after basic race days + team points from the finals:
NOR 6 + 8 = 14
BZH 4 + 10 = 14
It seems like the ties currently are solved by counting the number of first places, then number of second places etc, however this is a part of the low point score which sums up to 24 points from the basic races, not to 4 and 6 points which is the “bonus score”. Under no circumstances would it be fair to break down the tie breaker to these scores, without first looking at the sum of all the scores combined (32 vs 34).
The correct breakdown of scores leading up to 14 are:
NOR 6 (bonus) + 5 + 2 + 1
BZH 4 (bonus) + 4 + 1 + 5
which does not include team points from the first 12 regattas.
In all major sailing events, in case of a tie, results from a later stage is used before results from an earlier stage, which is also described in rule C11.1(e). It would be reasonable to use this tie breaker system also in MLS, when the low point system is not used.
For the record, NOR Team would be ahead of BZH Connection by using all normal tie breaker systems:
Later stage count before early stage (8 vs 10 points)
Most 1st, 2nd etc from scores summing up to 14 points (1st: 1 each, 2nd 1 vs 0)
Low points system were used (32 points vs 34 points)
Low point neglecting discards (36 points vs 39 points)
Sum of boat points (308 vs 318)
Best regards,
Lars
(laj2) Team captain NOR team
I don’t know which section this post belongs to, but I’m putting it here as best guess. Since this is affecting another team, I think it’s fair to post it in the forum and not a private e-mail directly to the race committee.
The preliminary results after the finals shows BZH Connection and NOR Team tied with 14 team points each, while BZH is listed 3rd and NOR 4th. The sailing instructions does not describe what tie-breaker system that applies for the team points ranking, which is unfortunate (I know you have a new points system this season). However it seems like the race committee has applied the tie breaker for the low point system, even though the low point system is not used for the combined overall score. And it is also applied in the wrong way.
Using the low point system, the score would have been
NOR 24 + 8 = 32
BZH 24 + 10 = 34
I.e. no tie.
The point system used for the final ranking is not the low points system, but “bonus score” after basic race days + team points from the finals:
NOR 6 + 8 = 14
BZH 4 + 10 = 14
It seems like the ties currently are solved by counting the number of first places, then number of second places etc, however this is a part of the low point score which sums up to 24 points from the basic races, not to 4 and 6 points which is the “bonus score”. Under no circumstances would it be fair to break down the tie breaker to these scores, without first looking at the sum of all the scores combined (32 vs 34).
The correct breakdown of scores leading up to 14 are:
NOR 6 (bonus) + 5 + 2 + 1
BZH 4 (bonus) + 4 + 1 + 5
which does not include team points from the first 12 regattas.
In all major sailing events, in case of a tie, results from a later stage is used before results from an earlier stage, which is also described in rule C11.1(e). It would be reasonable to use this tie breaker system also in MLS, when the low point system is not used.
For the record, NOR Team would be ahead of BZH Connection by using all normal tie breaker systems:
Later stage count before early stage (8 vs 10 points)
Most 1st, 2nd etc from scores summing up to 14 points (1st: 1 each, 2nd 1 vs 0)
Low points system were used (32 points vs 34 points)
Low point neglecting discards (36 points vs 39 points)
Sum of boat points (308 vs 318)
Best regards,
Lars
(laj2) Team captain NOR team